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Where does your identity really come from?
Kent Evans, author of The Identity Bucket and Executive Director of Manhood Journey, joins Rob to talk about why God, not your past or the labels people put on you, gets to say who you are.
Kent just wrote The Identity Bucket, a story that opens with a man getting fired in Manhattan and unpacks where our identity really comes from. In this conversation he and Rob get practical about what belongs in your identity bucket, what doesn't, and how to sort a true but unflattering comment from your spouse or a label from your past.
Along the way Kent shares how Jesus walked in his identity, and why a husband and dad's biggest calling may be at home.
"You have an author, and the author gets to label you." Kent Evans
You'll hear:
Why the author gets to label you
Why the identity bucket is already full when we follow Christ
Why past experiences and other people's words don't belong in it
How to check the source before believing "I am loved"
Which bucket a comment from your spouse goes in
How Jesus walked in his identity
Why a husband and dad's big calling may be at home
Why "I am saved" and "I am eternal" change how we face death
Scriptures mentioned: Ephesians 2:10, Romans 8:1, Revelation 2:17, 2 Samuel 7.
About Kent: co-host of the Father On Purpose podcast and author of several books, including The Identity Bucket, releasing December 1, 2026. Executive Director and cofounder of Manhood Journey, a ministry that helps dads become disciple makers.
Connect with Kent: Manhood Journey and The Identity Bucket. Kent also co-hosts the Father On Purpose podcast.
Recommended reading: The Identity Bucket by Kent Evans
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God Decides Your Identity, Not Your Past | With Kent Evans
100xLife Podcast Episode 151 transcript
[0:00] Rob Dayton
Welcome to the 100xLife Podcast, where we activate people who desire to live the words of Jesus and experience the abundant life He promises. I'm your host, Rob Dayton, and I hope this podcast inspires you to put in the work of following Jesus. Hey guys, it's that time again of year. We're preparing for the January 2nd 62-day challenge, following the words of Jesus, getting in the gym, getting in shape spiritually, physically, mentally. It's going to be exciting, but here's what we need from you. If you've been through the challenge, we want you to be a coach. We want you to be a part of the expansion of this movement. How cool is it to invite people to experience the commands of Christ, the words of Jesus in a much deeper way. Where they can actually fulfill them and put them into practice, stop being a fool and actually experience the abundant life God has to offer. Become a coach. Links in the show notes enjoy the interview with Kent Evans. Hey, 100xLifers. Welcome back to the podcast. I've got a very special interview with Kent Evans, who's just recently releasing a book, The Identity Bucket. We swim in the same pool. We're looking for people to follow Jesus and to actually adhere to the truth. And in Kent's case, he's looking for identity. Where do we get our identity from? Where where does that come from? And then how does that guide the way we think? The way we act, the way we do life. So, Kent, welcome to the podcast.
[1:49] Kent Evans
Rob, it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me, brother.
[1:52] Rob Dayton
Yeah, I'm so super excited for the conversation. So just like let's get into this because this what was kind of interesting to for me about the book is that you kind of had a dream about this. Tell us about that dream and how that came to fruition for the for the book.
[2:07] Kent Evans
Yeah, this is book number five for me. And it's been in my head for years. I've been teaching it to staffs and different things and upfront at men's conferences. And about ten months ago, as of the recording of this podcast, you and I are talking in November twenty sixth. This would have been January or so of this year. I had the book kind of swimming around in my head. A rough rough idea of what all I wanted to put in it, a bunch of notes, you know, on napkins and backs of envelopes and all
[2:30] Rob Dayton
Yeah.
[2:31] Kent Evans
that. And I woke up one day. And there were two really pressing thoughts in my head.
[2:36] Rob Dayton
Yeah.
[2:37] Kent Evans
and I'm a little hesitant to say, like God said, but I'm pretty sure I know where these came from. One, God said, Hey, for the first time, instead of writing only nonfiction, you're gonna write a fictional story and you're gonna teach from the story. Okay, fine. Okay, whatever. he goes, and it begins with a guy getting fired in Manhattan. And I like woke up. And I'm looking around the room, looking for the hand on the wall with the burning. I'm like, what
[3:02] Rob Dayton
Right, right.
[3:03] Kent Evans
was that? And so I literally came to my Google Doc and I typed, Hey, today's your last day with the company. Sorry. that was the beginning of the book. And it's funny because other than naming
[3:12] Rob Dayton
Wow.
[3:13] Kent Evans
the guy, giving him an actual name we can track with him, that's the opening line of the book is sorry, Ethan, today's your last day with the company. And I just tracked this guy, and I had never written fiction before, but I loved the process. So that's how that's how it kinda came to fruition.
[3:28] Rob Dayton
That's so cool. And it's interesting how story is the thing that's so compelling for everyone. you can tell someone something, but when you tell them a story, that's when it gets super sticky. And then the other thing you said that's really cool and I just appreciate is that you're listening to God. Like we all can hear his voice and then the question is what are you gonna do with it? And that obedience I think is powerful. I wanna ask you, kind of getting behind the book and you as an author, what would you say is God's like the thing he's wired Kent Evans to do that you're just you're really intentional in getting on the table?
[4:06] Kent Evans
Hmm. I crack jokes. That's it. Not necessarily. See, there you go. Right there. That's a that's a free one. That's a free one. That's easy.
[4:09] Rob Dayton
So it's perfect. Thank you. Thank you for that.
[4:16] Kent Evans
that's interesting. I don't know how I would reduce it down to one thing. That doesn't mean I have so many talents. What it means is, where I find the most joy, if that's a appropriate lens to answer that question through, is number one, April, my wife and I have been married for thirty one years and I find a tremendous amount of joy in being her husband. and she makes that easy. She's amazing, godly, faithful, you name it. She fits the bill. In fact, I jokingly patterned one of the characters in the book after her. and I said, you may think this lady's too good to be true, but I'm kind of married to her. And so there's a there's a real sense in which that's true. we had three boys by birth starting twenty-seven years ago and then we adopted two from Africa. So we have five sons.
[4:56] Rob Dayton
Wow. Wow.
[4:57] Kent Evans
And frankly, man, where do I get my most joy? What am I wired to do? I'm wired to be a husband. I'm wired to be a dad. third, though, outside of like my wife and my kids, what I really love to do, I love love, I love teaching. I always have. I don't mean like in a public school or I got my in my degree in education, but I love helping someone go from not understanding something to understanding something, or at least, at least go from not seeing my perspective to seeing my perspective and vice versa. They may not even agree. I begin a lot of conversations with, hey, I may be wrong. I just want you to understand where I'm coming from. And then I lay it out there. I see where they're coming from and we try to figure out where the truth actually is because it's usually not it's usually with neither one of us. It's somewhere in the middle. So I love to teach in all flavors and facets and I love being a husband. I love being a dad.
[5:46] Rob Dayton
I love that. And I think it's really profound and effective for anybody who's listening to this that it the your love is going to be attached to what God has wired you to do. So that's really cool.
[5:56] Kent Evans
Mm. Yeah.
[5:57] Rob Dayton
You and for you it's like really helping people understand. And I love that you got that caveat for you. I think those caveats are important. It's like, hey, as as long as you understand what I'm saying, that's really powerful for me. and that'll really help you aim and where you're where you're going. Let's let's talk about how this relates to the identity bucket. So what are you trying to teach in this? Like what's the thing that we just really need to get out of the identity bucket?
[6:24] Kent Evans
Yeah, I think the easiest way to describe that, is two quick things and you can either unpack them or not. One is in our head, I think we have containers for information. It's our brain, and we put them in categories. And I would look at like things like past experiences, life skills, eye color, ethnicity, nationality, et cetera, as different categories in my head. I used to live on a certain street, I am a male, I used to be a an altar boy in the Catholic church, all these whatever these things are in your past that are true. And I think a big mistake that we make is we take all that stuff and we dump it into our identity and we become this giant vegetable soup of everything that ever happened to us at our identity level. And I think that's patently unbiblical. Just entirely unbiblical. Now, quick ad for your listeners, if you're coming to this show and You want to argue the Dr. Phil angle or the Oprah angle or the Sigmund Freud angle. Okay, all bets are off. I am not a licensed psychologist. I'm not a trained therapist.
[7:24] Rob Dayton
Right, right.
[7:25] Kent Evans
I do know my Bible, right? I do know my Bible. And so what I'm trying to argue is that way of thinking about our identity is unbiblical. And here's a simple metaphor to help you re-biblify the way you understand identity. Part one. Part two. Think about a book we might have all read. And I don't mean the Bible, but an old book like How to Win Friends and Influence People or Mere Christianity. And I just like to ask this
[7:46] Rob Dayton
Classic, classic.
[7:48] Kent Evans
question. Take the book, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Dale Carnegie. why is the book called How to Win Friends and Influence People? And for the listener, it's like this is ac audience participation time. Why is How to Win Friends and Influence People called How to Win Friends and Influence People? And the answer you just thought of is wrong. Because here's the answer you probably thought of, because I've said this in front of a thousand people and I've gotten The same answer 995 times. Because it's what's in the book. No, you misunderstand the question. Why is it called that? And you go, I thought that was the first question. It is. You know why? Because Dale Carnegie said so. That's why. The author gets to label the book. Well, who's called our author in scripture? Jesus Christ. In Hebrews
[8:34] Rob Dayton
Come on.
[8:35] Kent Evans
and many other places. All things were created in him, by him, for him, and through him. You do not get to identify yourself, because you didn't create yourself from the dust of the ground. You have an
[8:46] Rob Dayton
I see. I see what you're saying.
[8:47] Kent Evans
author, and the author gets to label you. Your identity is determined externally by the God of the universe, not by your experiences or your choices or what
[8:55] Rob Dayton
That's cool. So identity is
[8:57] Kent Evans
you like.
[8:57] Rob Dayton
so that that's good because I think it's important to just define identity. Identity is who God says you are, and it's
[9:05] Kent Evans
There you go.
[9:05] Rob Dayton
how you're defined. and then something I've been thinking very deeply about in the last six months to a year is that you know God designed creation specifically for our identities to grow in. creation's not a mistake. It's very intentionally designed. And what I mean by creation, by the planets, the stars, the way everything's
[9:30] Kent Evans
Yeah. Right.
[9:30] Rob Dayton
working, all the details, but then also marriage and procreation and the fact that now we're in this time-bound space, creation. So I'm thinking as you're talking about this this definition of identity, I want you to tell me more, is that identity specifically Designed to function within creation the way he says or the way he's created it to do. Tell tell us more about identity.
[9:52] Kent Evans
Yeah, I look look back at when God created everything and we got something nothing else got, right? That's the image of God. And the trees didn't get that exactly.
[10:02] Rob Dayton
First first time ever.
[10:03] Kent Evans
Right, right. The trees didn't get that exactly, right? The animals didn't get that exactly. Although, pieces of God can be understood, right? So a tree of life. There's one in Genesis, there's one in Revelation, right? So like the tree of life is what? The tree of life. Where'd we get life? From the breath of God. Okay, so. There's some things we can understand. I heard a guy say one time, Rob, I loved this perspective. He said, It's not amazing that while Jesus was on earth, he would use a fig tree to make a point. What's amazing is that before the dawn of time, he would think to create a fig tree so later he could make a point. And I'm like, exactly.
[10:36] Rob Dayton
Right. Or or like when he from another song, yeah, like when he invented the color red. did he invent the color red for all the reasons that is
[10:45] Kent Evans
Yes, exactly right. And and so as we go back and look at identity, the big question, right? The big question we're gonna have, again, I'm restricting my thoughts to as best I can understand them, just the Bible. I'm not talking about sociology and all that other stuff. God gets to put things in our identity bucket, period. He's the author. So then you ask yourself, all right, what all did he put in the identity bucket? Separate from my eye color and my hair color, my nationality, and whether I can jump high or run fast or hit a golf shot. Forget all that, even to an extent, forgetting whether I'm April's husband or the father of five boys or the father in law of two daughters in law. all that are they are all labels that are true and matter. Are they my identity? And so here's the question I love to get people to wrestle with. Is your identity partly what is true about you on this earth? Like, you know. My name is Kent Evans. Yours is Rob Dayton. you have a zip code you live in, you have a house you live in, you have your wife you married. Okay, there's things about you that are unique and different from me. Having said that, is that really my identity? Revelation 2:17, Jesus says, I'm gonna hand you a white stone with a name on it. Only you know. And so you kind of could, and I and I think this is fair. Really? So like. When you see me in heaven, you're not gonna call me Kent Evans? I could probably make a pretty good case for that, man.
[12:03] Rob Dayton
in the habit of changing people's names.
[12:06] Kent Evans
Well, and what's fascinating to me is names mean a lot. However, your your name, just like your lineage, doesn't open the door to heaven for you. Like being a son of Abraham, well, that's not. It's by faith, man. It's by faith. And not faith in Abraham, faith in Jesus. And so at the end, I think when we start to look at to your point, creation, how God e what's interesting to me, right? I think God gives us hints occasionally that we can breeze right past. we've all heard the phrase, you are not the center of the universe. Rob, sorry, you are not the center of the universe. Kent, sorry, you are not the center of the universe. What's funny is,
[12:42] Rob Dayton
Yeah.
[12:44] Kent Evans
Our whole entire planet isn't the center of the universe. Which is interesting to me that God said, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna make the center of the gravitational universe something outside of humanity. I think it's a message. I think it's a message. And part
[12:59] Rob Dayton
Yes, yes.
[13:01] Kent Evans
of the message is y'all are not are not the center of the universe. I am.
[13:06] Rob Dayton
so tell us about some of the things that in the identity for what we should believe in, what are some of the things that God says who we are and how
[13:14] Kent Evans
Yeah.
[13:15] Rob Dayton
we need to manifest in our thinking and actions.
[13:17] Kent Evans
Yeah, that's the fascinating thing, right? Is look at it a little bit like this. When you when you followed Christ, when you became saved, whether you were three years old or eighteen or f eighty-eight, it's as if, it's as if Jesus took away an old identity bucket. These things in w in which you used to walk, says Paul. You used to be like these people, like the Gentiles. Now you are no more. There is a new you. And it's like he took away an identity bucket and slammed a new one down on the table. And here's what I want people to understand: he's not in the process of filling up your identity bucket. It's entirely full. We have been blessed with
[13:57] Rob Dayton
It's a hundred percent right now.
[13:58] Kent Evans
every spiritual blessing in Christ. I'm not becoming a member of the royal priesthood. I'm not becoming saved. I'm not becoming a saint. I'm not becoming loved. I'm not becoming a light on a hill. I'm not becoming the salt of the earth. I am. I am. I am. I am. And you ought to be thinking about the burning bush right now. When when Moses said, Fine, fine, I'll go. Who do I tell him is sending me? And God said, Tell you what, I am. Here's what you need to know, and what all your people need to know. I am the self-existent one. That's my name. That's what y'all need to know. And so for us, you are saved. You are loved. You are a member of the royal priesthood. You are a chosen race. You are Ephesians 2 10. You are God's masterpiece. You are his workmanship designed for good works that you may walk in them. So go walk in them. And I think what is interesting is, Rob, and I don't know who all's listening, but someone goes, Yeah, but I don't really, I don't really feel like that's true. Okay. that's a little bit like me telling you my height. I'm five foot three and a half. Who cares?
[15:00] Rob Dayton
Well, well let me let so let me let me put the nuance in there which might cause that question. So in my opinion, Jesus walked the earth and now the body of Christ is walking the earth, and the body of Christ is the reputation of Jesus. In other words, the way the world thinks about Jesus is through us. so if the identity is all clear and stated, why is it not manifesting In the person in the body of Christ. So tell us this. I think this is part of where you're going. How
[15:28] Kent Evans
Sure. Well, I think one yeah. Absolutely.
[15:32] Rob Dayton
do we get there?
[15:33] Kent Evans
Yeah. Well, we've got to recognize that as Paul described more than once, we are caught in this body of flesh. a metaphor, and I'm like the king of metaphors. Sorry, I just trot them out, but somebody taught me this a few years ago, and it just it so ministers to my mind and my soul. Imagine taking someone to New York City. On September the twelfth, two thousand one, the day after the planes flew into the World Trade Center, and someone looks at the pile of rubble and goes, Golly, what idiot architect built that? And if the architect were standing there, what would he say? that's not what I built. what I built was was really cool, and y'all wrecked it. Y'all wrecked it. And so looking at God. through humanity or through the lens of this fallen earth only, only, is a bit like looking at the World Trade Center towers after they fell, and then blaming God for such a disastrous pile of rubble. We go, wait, time out. I live in this body of flesh. I live in this body of flesh. Sure, Romans 8, 1. There's no condemnation for me. Yet I do have to put to death the deeds of the body by the power of the Spirit. So all my whole time.
[16:45] Rob Dayton
Sounds like now you're talking 100xLife.
[16:47] Kent Evans
Yeah, well that's the thing is that like All truth is the same truth. it's not mine or yours. And at the end of the day we go, look, God said, You are going to have a battle with your flesh. Greater is he who has overcome this world than he who's in the world. You're going to win that battle. Having said that, or b or when Jesus comes back, whichever comes first. And so as I'm wrestling with this idea of identity, it's how well can I walk in what is actually true? Because the truth is, man, I got a great identity in Christ. The challenge is a lot of days my flesh and my passions and my sins get in the way of me walking in it fully.
[17:24] Rob Dayton
Yeah, so give us one of the identities that is like a strong point, and then
[17:28] Kent Evans
Mm.
[17:29] Rob Dayton
how do we overcome our flesh to walk in that identity?
[17:32] Kent Evans
I'm so glad you asked the question exactly that way. your past experiences.
[17:38] Rob Dayton
That's the identity, the past experiences? The false identity.
[17:39] Kent Evans
That is that is the false identity. that's the other bucket. That's the other bucket, right? So for example, what happened to you when you were seven? What happened to you when you were 12? What happened when you were 14? What did that teacher say to you? What did that family member do to you? What did that mean person do to you? I'm not denying that it happened. I'm not even denying that you might have to resolve it over time and it may be complicated. it's one thing if a coach tells you you're not very fast. It's another thing if you were sexually abused. those are not the same thing. Having said that, regardless of your past experiences, I can tell you where they do not belong. In your identity bucket. They are not who you are.
[18:19] Rob Dayton
So you're not supposed to use so what you're saying is you're not supposed to use these past experiences say this is who we are.
[18:26] Kent Evans
when we use those as an excuse. Yeah, when when we say, when we say I right. Yeah, yeah.
[18:26] Rob Dayton
when we actually say that's who I am, I'm an abused child or I'm addicted to such and such or whatever.
[18:33] Kent Evans
Well, I good example. My sons have started to marry young ladies, and far as I'm concerned, out of my five boys, two of them are married and we've gone two for two with daughters-in-law. wow, we got two amazing daughters-in-law. What's interesting is in both
[18:44] Rob Dayton
Congratulations.
[18:44] Kent Evans
cases, they came in with certain beliefs about themselves. And so Few months ago, one of my daughters in law was texting me something and her text was not perfectly clear. And I asked a question and she said, I'm so stupid. Right? Right, right,
[18:57] Rob Dayton
Yeah, that's ridiculo yeah, that's owning a false identity.
[19:00] Kent Evans
right. And so I text her back and I go, Look, I know you're new to this family. But if that phrase comes up again, I'm gonna charge you money, I'm gonna start the stupid jar and you're gonna pay into it until you quit. Because why? I'm just trying to get her to understand I'm gonna do stupid things. No argument. I'm gonna fail. No argument. Am I a failure? No. Am I stupid? No. Am I still what my twelve year old sports coach called me? That I can remember right now? No. I'm not gonna live in the past. I'm not gonna deny it. I'm not gonna deny it. At the same time, it's not my identity. and I don't know.
[19:36] Rob Dayton
So that so that means that means and I want to get to what the identity we need to look at and what we need to hold on to, but I think what you're saying is when we have faith in false identities, then we act out those things. We actually like your
[19:50] Kent Evans
Great way to say
[19:51] Rob Dayton
your daughter in law is actually may even be, she's dumbing down her abilities and might limit her abilities through having faith in that false identity.
[20:01] Kent Evans
And I and Rob, I couldn't have said it better myself. I think the way you frame it is perfect. And I am not I'm not the name it and claim it guy. I don't I don't want to offend anybody by that. I don't think I'm gonna just manifest something out of thin air with my words. However, God did speak this world into existence using words, and I think our words have power.
[20:19] Rob Dayton
I'd agree and I'd say we actually create more with our words than anything else because we're we're image bearers.
[20:24] Kent Evans
I don't even disagree. And so when I when I say, I am an idiot, I am stupid, I'm a failure, I'm no good, man, eventually I can't tell the difference between the truth and the lie. Right? If I'm in Louisville, Kentucky right now, if enough people came up to me and said, Hey, you're in South Bend, Indiana, if they said it long enough,
[20:43] Rob Dayton
Right.
[20:45] Kent Evans
I'd probably start believing it. and
[20:46] Rob Dayton
mu you might.
[20:47] Kent Evans
even though I've seen that tree out the window a billion times, I
[20:50] Rob Dayton
Yes.
[20:50] Kent Evans
might go, Shoot, man. Where am I? Because if a if a lie gets repeated often enough, it starts to act on us as if it's true. And that's the challenge with our identity. Absolutely.
[20:57] Rob Dayton
That's right. Particularly when we speak it. First we think it and then we start creating it with our words.
[21:03] Kent Evans
Absolutely.
[21:04] Rob Dayton
Yeah, Jesus was really, really critical and serious about, you know, in Matthew, he says, You've heard it said, you know, don't commit a murder. I say unto you, don't even be angry with your brother or call him Raqqa, which means idiot. so he he's actually equating an identity slur with murder. So I got even bigger words for your daughter-in-law. Like why would you do that to yourself? Okay,
[21:23] Kent Evans
a murder. I know. It's real. Bro, it's real. I know, I know, I know. I know, I know.
[21:33] Rob Dayton
so give us one of the identities we do need to have faith in from your book.
[21:38] Kent Evans
Mm that I am loved.
[21:41] Rob Dayton
Okay, so let's let's work on that one. So what do we how do we go through this process of believing it and then getting to the place where we're speaking it so that we can behave like it?
[21:52] Kent Evans
Great question. Upstream, the question is, do we accept the fact that God gets to say the truth and when he says it, it's true? So part one, before you go, do I believe I'm loved or not? Well, hang on. It depends on who's saying it. Right? So for example, I have a nephew who is on the SWAT team and on the like detonation breach team in our local police force. He is one bad dude and can rip somebody apart from left to right in five minutes and if he came up to me and said, Hey, what you're doing is illegal, I would immediately assume he's right. Right? Because of who's talking. Now, if my 11 year old walks up to me and says, Dad, what you're doing is illegal, I'd be like, Says you. What do you know, man? You know nothing. So the source of the claim really matters as much or more. Than the claim itself. So step one to believing you are loved is do you believe God is God and what he says is true? And if you get upstream of that, right, as Jesus said, the truth, you will know it and it will set you free. So do
[22:55] Rob Dayton
Come on.
[22:56] Kent Evans
you believe it's truth? Or are you gonna fight with God? You're gonna argue with him about, well, I know you said I'm loved, but gosh, there's that thing I did an hour ago or a decade ago, which he knew in advance when he crucified his own son. So let's just start with he saw the end from the beginning and all your sins, past, present, and future, as you said in your three time zones podcast a few weeks ago. all your sins are already known and yet he says you are loved. So the question is first, check the source. Step one, check the source and check whether you believe the source.
[23:25] Rob Dayton
That's how you affirm the identity.
[23:27] Kent Evans
Absolutely. it's externally given by the God of the universe. Then second, understand the phrase. So does loved mean, and if anybody's listening, you know, you're a parent of a couple kids, I'm a dad of five, any parent knows that if your child is running toward this busy street, physically grabbing them or yelling at them is in fact a step of love.
[23:51] Rob Dayton
Totally.
[23:52] Kent Evans
Now You hope you don't break their arm in the process, but better a broken arm than a dead child. So the restraining from danger is an act of love. So then we go, wait a minute, what's what what's love? What does that mean? Does that mean I accept everything you do as okay? no, not really. Does it mean that I accept you regardless? Yeah, but I might have to be looking at you through two-way glass. Because you committed a felony. So you may need to do time. I may still come visit, but that doesn't mean you get to get out of jail. So
[24:22] Rob Dayton
That sounds like an external perspective versus an id a self perspective of identity.
[24:27] Kent Evans
Well, and then the question becomes once you understand who's saying it, once you understand what it means, Jesus stretches his arms out to prove how much he loved you. Love is sacrifice, love is putting your needs first. Then you can internalize it. Then you can say, I am loved. I am accepted. When Jesus, when Paul wrote in Romans 8:1, therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, it says no. Awesome. Does God love me? Yes. How much? 100%. Can I do something to get outside of his love? No, Jesus said. Neither height nor depth nor powers, nothing can separate you from the love that is in me. Nothing. He doesn't say some things. He doesn't say except how you voted on Tuesday. He says
[25:10] Rob Dayton
Yeah.
[25:10] Kent Evans
nothing can cause me not to love you. Therefore, I can walk around fully assured that I am loved. That what a great question.
[25:19] Rob Dayton
And how does that affect our mindset? how how is how do we change the way we think?
[25:23] Kent Evans
All right. I don't know what your demographic is. How d when you've looked at your your your audience demographic, Rob, is it mostly men or mostly women?
[25:30] Rob Dayton
Mostly men 'cause I'm a coach of men.
[25:32] Kent Evans
Yep. Okay, so I'm glad to hear that. And the reason I'm glad to hear that is because a lot of men, if they're older, you know, eighty to ninety percent of them are probably married, and their wife has probably told them something about themselves they would have rather not heard. If you've been married as long as me. Okay, yeah, right. they then that guy wasn't listening. I can do the guy
[25:49] Rob Dayton
I don't know if that's true, Kent. Right, right.
[25:54] Kent Evans
who says, I'm unfamiliar with this process, Kent, has been asleep at the wheel. so here's what happens, right? April, my wife will say to me, You were you were rude tonight at dinner. Here's the question. You ready? Which bucket does that go in?
[26:09] Rob Dayton
Which bucket does the question go in?
[26:11] Kent Evans
The comment You were rude tonight at dinner. I'm holding this from my wife. Does it
[26:14] Rob Dayton
comment the statement because then you because that that can become a part of your identity. Yes.
[26:20] Kent Evans
You asked about my mindset. So here's my mindset. If I put it into my identity bucket, number one, two problems with that. Number one, I don't put stuff in my identity bucket. That's actually not how the rules work. My wife doesn't put things.
[26:33] Rob Dayton
And I think by implication you're saying nor an nor does anyone else.
[26:36] Kent Evans
Nor does my wife. But does that go in my character bucket or my choices bucket or my bad fleshly decision bucket? Yes. Then when they are separate, my mindset is really clean about feedback and counsel. I don't take it personally.
[26:55] Rob Dayton
Yeah, it's just an it's just someone else's occurrence. It's not fact.
[26:58] Kent Evans
And it may be true, but it may be true. Maybe I was rude. I'm not denying it. I'm saying it doesn't define me.
[27:03] Rob Dayton
Well it's true in it's true in their occurrence, for sure.
[27:07] Kent Evans
And it may in fact be true. And usually my experience after 31 years is usually
[27:13] Rob Dayton
Probably is true.
[27:14] Kent Evans
probably is. and so the reason I when you said the word mindset, right? I remember that old book by Carol Dweck, growth mindset. or the book called Mindset, and we had two kinds of mindsets, right? Fixed or growth. And for for guys who have a fixed mindset, so I kind of have a love, I have a love and hate relationship with like every person. skills and personality tests in the world from Enneagram to Strengths Finder to all of I love and I hate 'em I love because they're very helpful, very useful tools. I hate because we tend to live in and just blame our bad behavior on They
[27:40] Rob Dayton
They might become our identity.
[27:42] Kent Evans
become our identity. So for that person who says, I'm just large and in charge. I'm a high D. okay. So does that give you a pass to never listen? Is that what
[27:51] Rob Dayton
Wait a minute, Kent, are you saying that any Enneagram, any DISC profile, or any Gallup top five can actually love? They all have the capability of loving?
[28:02] Kent Evans
Man, my gosh, I just love the I love the
[28:02] Rob Dayton
Ha ha ha.
[28:04] Kent Evans
s the sarcasm in the question. It's so true. Because at the end of the day, right, when I think of my mindset,
[28:11] Rob Dayton
Yes.
[28:12] Kent Evans
I so badly, genuinely, deeply want character growth feedback from those closest to me.
[28:22] Rob Dayton
Particularly if they're blind spots because I don't want to go around blind spot being every what everyone
[28:26] Kent Evans
Exactly.
[28:27] Rob Dayton
sees about me but me.
[28:28] Kent Evans
Yeah, Jahari's window, right? And so I want my wife to be able to say, You were you were rude. And then and then me to go, huh? W when when was I
[28:38] Rob Dayton
Tell me more.
[28:39] Kent Evans
Yeah, exactly. And I go, shoot. Do I literally one night we were at a swim meet and I said something to a couple we were sitting across from in our chairs between the events, and we get home later and April goes, Wow, why were you so challenging to Jason and Jill? And I literally was like Was? She goes, I thought so. And so we have this whole conversation, almost like I'm like a lab specimen. I'm outside of the conversation and I'm looking at here's Kent and we're both talking
[29:04] Rob Dayton
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
[29:06] Kent Evans
about this moron who was a challenger tonight. happens be me. and I texted Jason and Jill. And I just said, Hey guys, by the way, April let me know I might have been a little pushy tonight. I am so sorry. My bad. Now, why why did I really have no trouble sending that text? Because it had nothing to do with my identity. I'm loved. I'm complete. I'm a member of the royal priesthood. I'm saved forever. Was I rude on a Tuesday or a Monday night at a swim meet? Probably.
[29:33] Rob Dayton
So I think what you're saying is that if we're gonna grow in love and we're gonna grow in the true identities that God has given us, when when we're interacting with each other, we have to separate, we have to parse, put it in a separate bock bucket, comments of occurrence that are not what God says necessarily about our identity, so that we can we can actually exercise that identity in our in our thinking in our lives.
[30:01] Kent Evans
Totally. Love it. Agree.
[30:02] Rob Dayton
Let's talk about I I'm fascinated with this this thought and I want to know what you think about it. So, you know, Jesus, all God, on all man. I have no idea what that means, but I've heard it so many times. yeah, I just I just have no idea what that means. But
[30:14] Kent Evans
Thank you for saying it. Thank you for at least acknowledging.
[30:19] Rob Dayton
so he has an identity that he's given. You are my son, in whom I'm well pleased. And I'm guessing. This is my guess, is that he's heard it before the baptism of his experience with baptism of John. He's already heard it before, and then God calls an audible and everyone all other people hear it. And then you see him walking through, and this is what I imagine is that as a man, let's just stick to the all-man, he's walking through, like, okay, so I'm God's son, and then he's looking in the scriptures to see where that sonship might be. Where would he
[30:56] Kent Evans
Mm.
[30:56] Rob Dayton
be referred to? In that. And then, he might have come across some of the ones that I'm particularly fond of, like 2 Samuel 7, where David is promised the heir to his throne, and God says, he will call me father, and I will call him son.
[31:11] Kent Evans
Yeah.
[31:12] Rob Dayton
And then him latching onto that and going through this process, this human process of identity, and that I am the son of God. And by the way, if I say this in public. it's a death sentence.
[31:25] Kent Evans
Yeah, that's right.
[31:27] Rob Dayton
And then I'm trying to watch this whole thing, and we get to the place where they're all trying to trick him with questions. We're in the last week, and no one has anything to say. And then he asks, Is this, is the Christ really the son of David?
[31:41] Kent Evans
Mm. Well, and I bro. Bro.
[31:42] Rob Dayton
Which is like it's almost like the completion of his of him, his identity is like,
[31:47] Kent Evans
So true.
[31:48] Rob Dayton
I am so bought into this. Why are you calling him the son of David?
[31:52] Kent Evans
Mmm. What I find fascinating is when he asks his own disciples, who do who do they say I am? And the disciples go, you know,
[31:58] Rob Dayton
Yes, that's an identity question.
[32:01] Kent Evans
and the site and the disciples are like, some say this, some say that. And then Jesus goes, Who do you say I am? and I just thought, my gosh, and Peter goes, You're the Christ, your son of the living God. And then Jesus says, Congratulations, Simon. I paraphrase the Kent version. Congratulations, Simon. Only God. Could have revealed that to you. And I just find like and then within a few minutes he'll be telling him, get behind me, Satan. Like Peter's relationship with Jesus was pretty volatile. but I find that fascinating because we're back to the burning bush. I am, right? And this is this is the challenge for your listener. Take the phrase I am. I am, underscore blank. I am what? Loved, chosen, hated, stupid. Just know, just know, whatever you put in that blank line is identity-based language. And we see it all throughout scripture, right? I think of even the book of Proverbs, right? It's one big letter written from a father to a son. And he says, hey, my son, pay attention to my words. Why? Because I'm your dad. Because dad. And I have wisdom. let me impart that to you. And I find it fascinating that I you can find probably a hundred examples if you and I really tried. How many times pe Jesus went around to somebody and gave them a chance to identify him?
[33:17] Rob Dayton
Yes.
[33:17] Kent Evans
Right or wrong, fair or foul. And I of course I wrote a book about it, so I'm gonna talk about it. But yeah, his identity got him killed. Right? and his claims about his identity and his refusal to deny others' claims about his identity. That's a lot of what sentenced him to death.
[33:33] Rob Dayton
Exactly. So I it's interesting because when I listen to you, what I'm hearing you say is really this the identity bucket is for someone who has is still in that confusion stage about who they really are and they need to they need to parse it out to kind of get it right in their mind so they can start behaving according to that identity.
[33:57] Kent Evans
Yeah. I remember we flew one time to Ethiopia and in the airport you had to get in this line with your passport. And you walked up to a couple of guys with sub automatic machine guns, and they were dressed in fatigues and they would say, Where are you from? And you would hold up your passport and you'd tell them what country you're from. and I'm like, you know, twenty deep and I hear people say, This place and that place and this place and that place. and I think I'm the first American and this whole line, y at least where when I was there. and he and this this guard kept sending people to some room, some built some room in the airport where they had to go and get processed. And I don't think it was evil or broken. I just think they had to go through some extra steps to get in the country. So then it comes my turn.
[34:37] Rob Dayton
Been there down that.
[34:38] Kent Evans
I got me and my wife and three of my boys with me. And he goes, are you from? And I hold up my USA passport. I go, America. And he goes, You're free to go. We went out, met our driver. And I remember thinking, Wow. Okay, when I was 20 deep in line, did my American passport get me something special? Yes. Was I aware of it? No. I had no idea. I didn't, for all I knew, I went to another room. I didn't know. But what I know is at that moment, I was like, wow, I just learned something about my nationality
[35:11] Rob Dayton
Yeah, yeah.
[35:13] Kent Evans
that I didn't know. Was it untrue until he said it? No, it was true the whole time. I just what I just didn't know to walk in it.
[35:19] Rob Dayton
He just hadn't experienced it yet.
[35:21] Kent Evans
I didn't know to walk in it. And that's the call. The call is your identity is not growing and changing and being figured out. Your identity is what it is. Now walk in it so deeply and fully understand the truth of your identity. That's the encouragement of the book.
[35:35] Rob Dayton
So the walk in it, I would say the 100x life methodology is that is the process of how do you walk in it? It's the process
[35:43] Kent Evans
Yes.
[35:44] Rob Dayton
of you know, we equate the parable of the sower is just an explanation, Jesus' explanation of the gym or the resistance you're going to experience in living his word, whether you multiply it or not. So walking in it is really getting it in your mind, renewing your mind, repent, change the way you think, and then behaving differently. We call all of his commands the behaviors of love. so tell me the process from to walking in it in identity. What's the what's that what's that gym process feel like, look like?
[36:12] Kent Evans
Yeah. I think for me, man, I do so much work with fathers because our ministry manhood journey does fatherhood work. And so I'm almost exclusively dealing with men and I'm almost exclusively dealing with dads. So I don't know if this is true about eighteen year old men or sixteen year old men, but what I know is true about dads is they are almost all this is a broad brush, I understand. They almost all are deeply biblically malnourished.
[36:41] Rob Dayton
Hmm. What does malnourished look like? Bib biblically malnourished.
[36:44] Kent Evans
They don't spend time.
[36:45] Rob Dayton
They're not spending time, they don't know the truth. They're not spending time with the truth, so they don't know the truth.
[36:47] Kent Evans
They don't know the truth. They don't know the truth. and so what happens is, and here's the way it manifests in the life of a dad, usually. He's got two or three kids, he doesn't quite know how to raise them. And he says things like, I shouldn't even be their dad. I'm not even equipped to be a dad. I don't even have the skills. I my dad was terrible. Okay, stop. You just listed four theology problems that if you read the scriptures, you would know better. Like God said that when he calls you to a work. He will equip you to do the work through the power of the Holy Spirit. So
[37:17] Rob Dayton
Yeah.
[37:17] Kent Evans
if you think he's called you to a job that he has not given you the skills to do, you're not just confused. You're in rebellion. You're arguing with the founder of the universe. He said, That's your family. That's your wife. I okay, but this way. I don't know if this will be helpful, Rob, for your audience, but I was talking with a guy recently and new friend, I won't say his name in case he's listening, and he says. Hey, I'm I said, What's going on in your life? we're getting to know each other. It's like minute twelve of our relationship, And I he goes, he goes, Well, I'm married, been married X number of years. I've overcome these big issues. I like, wow, this is amazing. He's on a really cool track with his marriage. And then he says, And I'm dad of a few kids, and all relationships and intentionality. And I'm like, Wow, this dude's kind of like, you know, an intentional husband. He's an intentional dad. And then he says, To my surprise, he's in a job, a tech job. And he says, but I'm but I'm just wondering, what big thing has God called me to do? And I had known him for exactly like twelve and a half minutes.
[38:13] Rob Dayton
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[38:14] Kent Evans
And I just go, man, I'm gonna take a huge risk in our newfound friendship. He goes, okay, what is it? Like he's gonna take a note on whatever brilliant thing I'm about to say next. And I'm gonna go, the big thing you've been called to do is not out there, it's in here. And
[38:29] Rob Dayton
You already stated it.
[38:30] Kent Evans
bro, you're the husband of one wife and you're trying to love your wife as Christ loved the church. That is
[38:33] Rob Dayton
Yeah. Yes.
[38:36] Kent Evans
massive.
[38:37] Rob Dayton
Yeah.
[38:37] Kent Evans
You're the dad of some kids, you're trying to intentionally disciple them in the Lord. That is massive. So then go earn some money. Who cares? Like, I'm not saying the job is unimportant. I'm not saying how you spend 40 hours a week is immaterial. I'm not saying you can go be like, you know, the runner of a porn ring or a prostitute ring. No, no. What you do matters. However, we are so conditioned in our culture, especially Americans, as I've traveled,
[38:59] Rob Dayton
In churchanity.
[39:00] Kent Evans
that the big thing is out there. When when when I went full time in the in the nonprofit that I now lead, my board chairman surprised me with a prayer group of about a dozen people. I walk into church one day and there's 12 people. I thought it was an intervention. I thought I'm going to rehab, my wife, my brother-in-law, some of my older kids, and one of them was our former pastor who had been the pastor of our church for 40 years and had retired about eight years prior to this event. And they go around and every single person prayed for me. Because I was going from full-time corporate work into ministry work. And my former pastor, who was in his 70s at the time, just so happened to be standing right next to me. He put his hand on my shoulder and he goes, Your family is your number one ministry. Don't forget that. And then he took his hand on my shoulder and prayed for me. And it was like it's like when Jesus was baptized. You know, it's like the word of the Father. And I'm like, wow. And I just want to encourage a guy.
[39:49] Rob Dayton
Yeah. That's good. I think you're I think you're right. I think what happens is we want to have this calling thing, this outward thing. and then if I was the guy putting my hand on your shoulder, what I would have said is your greatest ministry, and I think you'd actually agree with me, is your internal thinking. Because
[40:09] Kent Evans
Mm. So true.
[40:11] Rob Dayton
if you don't have good internal thinking, which is what I this is what I gather this is the way it occurs to me that the identity identity buckets all about. If your internal thinking is sour, you don't have what it takes to manage to actually make your wife your number one customer and actually
[40:25] Kent Evans
That's right. That's right.
[40:27] Rob Dayton
your kids. So it and I think that the trick of life, if there is one, is teaching everyone how to love by us learning and get staying in the gym of love in the way we think and the way we receive who we are. And I love what you're saying because to our listeners, transformation, salvation is the first call. But that call ended when you answered. Transformation
[40:49] Kent Evans
That's right. That's right. That that's right.
[40:52] Rob Dayton
does not end. It's a never-ending calling. And
[40:55] Kent Evans
Never. Never. Never.
[40:58] Rob Dayton
then what you said, Kent, the next one would be faithfulness to her, or to your husband if you're a woman and your kids. And then we would get to fruitfulness
[41:08] Kent Evans
That's right.
[41:09] Rob Dayton
in terms of well, I'm going to do this great big thing for the world. But if you don't have the transformation, that great big thing you're going to do for the world or you're going to do for your family is going to suffer.
[41:20] Kent Evans
Well, and a friend of mine and I were talking about this recently, and I think one of the things that's really influenced me over the last decade or so has been I like you can see even at the back of back behind you, behind me, a bunch of books. I've read all of them. I've written five. I care about books, I write them. I think they're important, I think they matter. Having said that, I'm not trying to become some combination of C. S. Lewis and Tim Keller and Dale Carnegie and, Elon Musk and Newt Rockney and Jocko Willink. I'm not trying to do that. Jesus is the model man. Jesus is the model man. and so what I find is I want I want to be like Jesus to my family. that's like I want to be more Christ like as I
[41:56] Rob Dayton
Well, that's right. Yeah.
[41:58] Kent Evans
go. And I know I've got just oodles and oodles of miles between doing that perfectly. I'm not I'm not enslaved by perfection and I'm not under any guise. But what he was saying to me, Bob, when he was saying that was it reminded me, man. The irony of all that, Rob, is Bob said that in 2016. I got married in 1995. So 21 years prior, that same pastor at the time who was in the in the pulpit at that time had sat with my wife, April, and me at lunch as we were engaged, and he drew a triangle on a napkin. True story, right? And he put me and her at the bottom. And he put Jesus at the top, little cross. And he goes, Listen, look at this triangle. And he shoves it in front of us and goes, Don't worry about trying to grow together. Don't even worry about trying to grow closer to each other. You both worry about getting closer to Jesus and the distance between you will take care of itself.
[42:52] Rob Dayton
I s I think I think I had a pastor drawing on the napkin when I was when I was younger.
[42:55] Kent Evans
Exactly. Exactly. It's universal, man. and I just think, man, that's the that's the message of the identity bucket is can you s properly sift what God said about you? Keep it in there. and then a special note to parents, special note to parents, just real quick. your six or eight or ten year old child walks up to you every day with their identity bucket out in front of them. And metaphorically asks you to put stuff in it. You may not even be aware that that's what's happening. And they're too little to know the difference between you had a bad day at work or you didn't.
[43:25] Rob Dayton
That's right.
[43:26] Kent Evans
Or you have a pet peeve, you know, they're they don't know the difference. So they just stuff the right in any bucket, and then it's gonna take, you know, five hundred dollars and a bunch of therapists to unpack it when they're in college. So when you say things with your words to your children,
[43:39] Rob Dayton
So powerful.
[43:40] Kent Evans
they're probably going straight Into their identity bucket. So you better
[43:44] Rob Dayton
Hundred per hundred percent.
[43:45] Kent Evans
make sure they're aligned to what God said. Because here's the only thing I get to deposit in my children's identity buckets. I get to double down on whatever God said. I remember hearing a preacher not long ago. trip. He stood up and he goes, Hey, let me pray before I preach. He goes, Dear God, would you help me only to say what you've already said? Amen.
[44:06] Rob Dayton
There it is.
[44:07] Kent Evans
And I thought, wow. Like, The burn of a guy up front who wants to be creative and clever and original and brand new. And he's like, I don't want to say anything brand new. I just want to say what you've already said.
[44:19] Rob Dayton
And that's the trick of it, is that the in churchianity the ticklish years in the congregation always
[44:24] Kent Evans
That's right.
[44:25] Rob Dayton
want to hear something new. And then the pastor's so tempted to give fifty-two life-changing messages a year. it's like it's crazy. let's close with this. you said I am loved. Give us two more I am statements that the listener should be paying attention to and working into their mindset.
[44:41] Kent Evans
Let's see. Of the two or three dozen that I talk about the most, I am loved is near the top. I am saved. I am saved. yeah. Saved from myself. Yeah, that's right. and the
[44:50] Rob Dayton
And saved that means we're in Greek that means healed and made whole and eternal.
[44:59] Kent Evans
and the other thing I would say is connected to that, I am eternal. I am eternal.
[45:04] Rob Dayton
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a really incredible mindset.
[45:07] Kent Evans
And and that was true before you were saved, by the way. You were eternal. It's just where you
[45:12] Rob Dayton
You're always gonna be eternal.
[45:13] Kent Evans
were going to spend eternity has now changed once you became saved. you're gonna be eternal. I am eternal. And then and then therefore, right? So, what are the implications of these things? Man, nothing I can do can separate me from God's love. nothing I can do will actually cause me to ever die. Now I don't understand we're gonna die on earth. I'm gonna get on a plane, fly across the Atlantic. I understand things happen. Death is not a worry
[45:35] Rob Dayton
Death is not a death is not a worry because I'm eternal.
[45:39] Kent Evans
because I am eternal. And whatever whatever is gonna happen on the other side of death is a billion times better than what's happening on this side of it. And I just think things like saved, eternal. I'm chosen. I'm a member of royal priesthood. what's interesting, and I know we don't have the time to unpack this, but there's some things that are true about Jesus. That are not true about me. I'm not the Alpha and the Omega. I'm not the lamb who takes away the sins of the world. Got it. He has pieces of his identity. I do not share. However, he also has big chunks of his identity I do share. I'm a co-heir with Christ. I'm a son of God. I am the salt of the earth. So is he. I am the light of the world. So is he. Now he's the light. When we look at those things, we go, my goodness. He's my brother. Like I share. Many many family resemblances
[46:23] Rob Dayton
a hundred percent. Yeah.
[46:25] Kent Evans
with the creator of the universe because that's how he set it up.
[46:28] Rob Dayton
Yeah, he created us to have the same DNA, which is why we get in trouble thinking we are gods. Because we're created
[46:34] Kent Evans
That's right. That's right.
[46:36] Rob Dayton
actually to be gods. It's just a question of how we're going to exercise our destiny and design. Yeah, it's fascinating when you when you're talking about eternity too, because something I've been wrestling with is if people die early. If you had a if you had a an eternal mindset that was just overriding the rest of the shadowy portions of earth, would an early death really be an issue? I think people could say, well,
[47:02] Kent Evans
No, right.
[47:03] Rob Dayton
yeah, because what maybe if they had stayed alive a little longer, they would have found Jesus. But I just
[47:08] Kent Evans
Mm.
[47:09] Rob Dayton
I don't know if I just think it eternity is such a reality for us all and I think God we just trust God for the outcomes. Of course He doesn't want anyone to die. you know, because he his will is for earth is how it would be in heaven and I s yeah.
[47:23] Kent Evans
Well, and I have I have several friends, three I can n three I can name right now, whose wives died between forty five and fifty two or three.
[47:30] Rob Dayton
Mm-hmm.
[47:31] Kent Evans
Two of really suddenly. one on a slow slide for a two year battle with cancer, but three buddies, one is on our board. And so their wives all quote unquote died early, if you will. b far below well w the how long they would have been expected to live. And if you talk to each of those guys, Tom, Darren, and Kurt, just saw Kurt yesterday at lunch. If you talk to those three guys and you say, Are you happy your wife died?
[47:53] Rob Dayton
Say no.
[47:54] Kent Evans
I know what they each will say. For her, yes. They've said it to me. She
[47:59] Rob Dayton
Yeah, because because she's in a better place.
[48:02] Kent Evans
wins. She wins. For me, not really. Not really. I'm trying to get to where I'm as happy for her as I am for me. as I am sad for me. As I am sad for me.
[48:10] Rob Dayton
Happy f ha yeah. Happy for me as I am for her.
[48:14] Kent Evans
and I just it's so close and so personal for me. I'm at a first watch yesterday, bumped into Kurt. His wife died ten years ago, or so. and he would say, If you would ask him, Are you happy your wife died? I know exactly what he would say. For her, yeah. Quite.
[48:28] Rob Dayton
Yeah, and the triangle comes to mind in that particular analogy because the struggle is the relationship that's across the triangle, but there is no marriage in heaven. And it's so if you're eternal and this death, this death somehow, I think if your eternal mindset was really, really rooted and that you really understood that your your marriage is to God and you're indoctrinated in the Trinity, and then your wife or your spouse is something you steward. And die for,
[48:55] Kent Evans
That's right.
[48:56] Rob Dayton
I think that I think death becomes less of an issue and more of a like, you know, no, this is just, you know, it's maybe the enemy caused this. Well, God's working all things together for my good, regardless of what the enemy's doing. So what you know, why should I worry about it's just a crazy thought I'm having. So if you're if you're a listener and you're
[49:16] Kent Evans
I love it. I love it.
[49:17] Rob Dayton
like, Rob, you're so full of it. Again, I like totally understand. And then I would encourage you to think more about eternity. Hey, Kent Evans,
[49:24] Kent Evans
Yeah, that's right.
[49:26] Rob Dayton
so good to be with you. I just that book that's when is it released? The identity bucket's just coming up now.
[49:32] Kent Evans
Yeah, it officially releases December first, twenty twenty six, so in about three weeks.
[49:36] Rob Dayton
And then can you pre-order it on Amazon right now? And then what's your website? Just so people can find you.
[49:43] Kent Evans
[49:47] Rob Dayton
Okay, there it is. Hey man, thank you so much for being on the podcast. And listeners, I hope this sinks in. Go check out his book, and we will see you next week.
[49:57] Kent Evans
Thanks, Rob.
